you did a nice job for a long time on that and it was very educational. the sesame workshop, which is the big driver on pbstv, their assets, according to the irs 2011 filing, $356 billion. that's what the sesame workshop is worth. so i'm going to submit to you, mr. burton, that they can compete in the free marketplace like cartoon channel and others because we're in an era where we have to bring down the spending. of two do it. and you say? >> i say you're missing the point, bill. if you're going to focus on the $414 million, you are missing the point. america has always claimed to be the nation that wants to provide a quality education to all of its citizens. and i'm not saying that pbs is perfect and you're quite right, the sesame workshop can take care of itself and we don't need to worry about big bird. he's gonna be fine. he's gonna be okay. but the underlying issue, bill, is how do we do the job of educating america's children and are we going to make them political footballs in this campaign? >> bill: you believe that if we pull -- if the deposit p